Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 30 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 678 Today's Topics: ADDING A SECOND HARD DISK TO A MEGA STe Another Pexec-question Atari Lynx & Portfolio Computer FORSALE! Atari Monitor Trade? Atari TTM195 Monitor Files sent to atari.archiv Flow Chart Compiler (FCC.ARC on Atari Archive) HARLEKIN II-WHAT'S NEW OR IMPROVED? Hermes UUCP package History of Atari (2 msgs) Need STE_FIX.PRG Quick ST support Serious hard drive troubles (2 msgs) SM124 emualtor Sozobon C Shell Unix-Windows for ST Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 91 22:22:02 AST From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: ADDING A SECOND HARD DISK TO A MEGA STe To: N I expect to be receiving shortly a new MEGA STe equipped with a hard drive. I am wondering if I can transfer the content of my MEGAFILE 30 just by plugging in into the external hard drive port on the MEGA and setting up the appropriate desktop.inf file to recognize the partions. . ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 91 11:39:52 GMT From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!ira.uka.de!THD-News!news@uunet.uu.net (Dr. Eder, Manfred) Subject: Another Pexec-question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi again, first I like to thank everybody to re4ply to my previous problem. I found it myself lately: the Pexec-mode 4 needs the Basepage-address as THIRD parameter and not as second, and second and fourth must be zero. My doc was wrong. Well, this was fixed easy. But now I have a much harder problem... I write a utility-routine to start other programs. This routine is part of a CommandLineInterpreting-code and should be coded shareable, that means, the service is called via TRAP (For VAX/VMS-knowers: I implement the CLI$xxx-routines and some SYS$xxx). Thus, the code is running in supervisor- mode and is using (at least until my traphandler starts) the system-supervisor- stack. Then I switch to my onw stack. Now, when starting the next image (program), which uses the SAME routine for other purpose, i found that the Pexec-service will switch the supervisor-stack back to any location in the system-memory (down in 0x1000 region or so). So what happens: Since the new program follows the same calling-scheme it will enter the quenstionable routine at a specific time with the SAME stackpointer than the previous PARENT-image. See what will happen: When the child-process is finished, the old stackinfo is overwritten by the child and the calling routine (now back in the parent process) will return with RTE to the wrong address, an address in the childs process-space,not longer valid. My question: How to avoid having the Pexec-routine change the Supervisorstack-ptr?? Or, how to change the supervisor-stack in the childprocess WITHOUT changing the process-mode from USER to SUPERVISOR (Yes, no 0x20 TRAP1 function wanted!)? Thanks again... Mathias Gaertner, using the account of my Boss, Dr. Eder. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 23:51:10 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!well!edge@arizona.edu (Christopher L. Seguine) Subject: Atari Lynx & Portfolio Computer FORSALE! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu **** FOR SALE ******* ATARI LYNX VIDEO GAME SYSTEM ---------------------------- * ATARI LYNX * California Games * Blue Lightning * Slime World * ElectroCop * Gates of Zendecon * Paperboy * Gauntlet * RoadBlasters * Sun/Glare Gaurd * Cigarette Lighter Adapter * Carrying Pouch ============================== $250 OR BEST OFFER ATARI PORTFOLIO PALMTOP COMPUTER -------------------------------- * ATARI PORTFOLIO 16 Bit MS-DOS Compatable Palmtop Computer Built In Address Book, Diary, Calculator, Spread Sheet, and Text Editor * Serial Port Adapter * 128K RAM CARD Includes misc. software that I've collected * File Manager Card ============================================= $375 OR BEST OFFER Chris @ CyberCine (415) 771-9521 edge@well.sf.ca.us ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 06:12:55 GMT From: icd.ab.com!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ba014@uunet.uu.net (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) Subject: Atari Monitor Trade? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Would anyone be interested in trading an ST Mono (SM124?) monitor for an ST Color (SC1224?) monitor + some cash or a memory upgrade board for a 1040? Email with offers. -- o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o | Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix | o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 91 11:14:17 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!nuug!fenris!sofus.dhhalden.no!jonal@uune t.uu.net (JON ARVID LOVSTAD) Subject: Atari TTM195 Monitor To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Reading the Seybold report in the latest (#53) issue of Z-Net, I saw a price for a monitor I've never heard of. The Atari TTM195 was quoted at US$1400,-, some 400 bucks more than the standard TTM194 1280x960 mono monitor. Does anyone have more info on this on? Is it a 21"/24" thing or is it a greyscale monitor for use with a new video card. I know of a German monitor which can give 1280x960 in 256 greyscales when used with one of the Matrix cards. Any info appreciated... ---------------8<----(a cut above the rest)---------------------------------- Jon Lovstad | Sorry, but this part of my .sig file has been jonal@sofus.dhhalden.no | retconned by DeFalco... | SnailMail: Storgata 18 | If Batman can have 2 Crays, then why can't N-1750 HALDEN | I get a humble TT030? NORWAY | _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 91 22:29:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!un.maus.de!Martin_Koehl ing@uunet.uu.net (Martin Koehling) Subject: Files sent to atari.archiv To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu in message root@tokna.gold.sub.org (thomas Knauer) writes: >KAOS, the alternative OS is a commercial product. But this applies only >for the "genuine" OS itself (i.e. ROM-files etc.). > >Some utilities like KAOSDESK may be copied and distributed. > >Greeting, > >Thomas I don't think so. Several months ago, I found an old version of KAOSDESK on a local BBS. I asked on the MAUSNET if this was a legal copy (it didn't contain any inidication of being PD or Shareware) and got the answer that it _wasn't_! KAOSDESK is a sold as a commercial product for 19.80 (plus S&H). I really don't think there is a PD version. Martin Koehling (Martin_Koehling@un.maus.de) (we like our footers short:-)) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 15:47:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!mips!wrdis01!nstn .ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@arizona.edu Subject: Flow Chart Compiler (FCC.ARC on Atari Archive) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu To whoever posted the flowchart compiler FCC.ARC to atari.archive: Seems that you forgot to include the .RSC file! From the docs this looks like quite a nice program. I'd like to try it before starting my next programming project. Would you repost the complete file? Here is what you posted: Name Length Storage SF Size now Date Time ================= ======== ======== ==== ======== ========= ====== EXAMPLES.FCC 7010 Crunched 55% 3173 14 Dec 91 1:26p FCC.PRG 63949 Crunched 46% 34885 14 Dec 91 2:06p MANUAL.ASC 38176 Crunched 64% 13782 14 Dec 91 1:42p ==== ======== ==== ======== Total 3 109135 53% 51842 ------------- Bruce MacKay bmackay@biome.bio.ns.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 91 22:17:03 AST From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: HARLEKIN II-WHAT'S NEW OR IMPROVED? To: N I am thinking of upgrading from HARLEKIN I to II but have yet to see a review or comments on the latest version. I doubt that I am alone, could someone in the known give us an idea of the new features of version II or improvements. . ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 91 20:39:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!atha!aunro!alberta!adrian@arizona.edu (Adrian Ashley) Subject: Hermes UUCP package To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Several people have mentioned that they'd like to see a UUCP port that works under MiNT. I'm porting Ian Lance Taylor's `Taylor UUCP' to MiNT. I'm in the final debugging stage; it works mostly, but there are some reliability problems which I think are related to modem I/O. I will put it on atari.archive when I figure it's stable enough. I've also got ports of Smail and Elm underway; Elm almost works, and Smail I haven't got as far as testing yet. (-: If anyone wants to beta-test some of this stuff, I'd love to hear from you. Mail me at adrian@secret.uucp (try `adrian%secret@cs.ualberta.ca' if your site has old maps and can't find secret by itself.) A Segue: does anyone have a solid, compact implementation of the Bourne shell working on the ST, preferably under MiNT? I don't mean Bash, which is a pig. I have a port of `ash' (Kenneth Almquist's Bourne-shell clone) underway, but I haven't had time to debug it -- anyone want to take over? -- Vote Surrealist! "I have only | Adrian Ashley in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada one thing to say: pumpkinfish." | adrian@secret.uucp adrian@cs.ualberta.ca ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 91 00:49:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kk sys!tdkt!FredGate@arizona.edu (Chuck Grimsby) Subject: History of Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a message of , Jim Trageser (1:282/31) writes: >From: trag@pnet01.cts.com (Jim Trageser) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st >I'm writing a story on the history of Atari for San Diego's ComputorEdge >magazine, and need some background information on some of the hardware >(OK, most of the hardware. . . .) >Was the 2600 game machine the first Atari home machine? Didn't Atari make a thing-a-ma-jig that you hooked to both your stereo and your TV that made colored patterns on the screen depending upon the sound inputed? I know that they _did_ make such a device, as we were shown one at a user group meeting back in the 400/800 days, and I know it pre-dates those devices, but I'm not sure when, what it was called, or just about anything beyond what I told you above! (Give me a break, it's been a few years since that meeting...) * Origin: FlightLine PointNet (1:282/47.1) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 18:33:18 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!pinelr@arizona.edu (Robert Jeffrey Pinelli) Subject: History of Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <693923672.0@tdkt.kksys> Chuck.Grimsby@tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby) writes: > > >Didn't Atari make a thing-a-ma-jig that you hooked to both your stereo and >your TV that made colored patterns on the screen depending upon the sound >inputed? I know that they _did_ make such a device, as we were shown one at a >user group meeting back in the 400/800 days, and I know it pre-dates those >devices, but I'm not sure when, what it was called, or just about anything >beyond what I told you above! (Give me a break, it's been a few years since >that meeting...) > > > * Origin: FlightLine PointNet (1:282/47.1) I know of some people who modify their TV's to do such a thing and I've heard it called "Waste-a-vision." What Atari called it I've no clue. --Rob ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 04:08:10 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Robert A Jung) Subject: Need STE_FIX.PRG To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Help! I'm trying to find a copy of STE_FIX.PRG, and I can't locate it anywhere. For those who don't know, STE_FIX.PRG patches a bug in TOS 1.6 (not 1.62). This is the bug where the STe, when attached to a color monitor, will not boot in medium resolution. STE_FIX.PRG solves the problem and makes the STe properly read the DESKTOP.INF file so the computer boots as it should. If you have a copy of this program, or know where I can find it, please send e-mail. I've checked most of the major anonymous FTP sites (including the Atari archive at terminator), but have not been able to locate it. If you could send a uuencoded version of the program, I would truly aprpeciate it. Thanks in advance. --R.J. B-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # ## # Send replies to rjung@usc.edu # ## # ## ## ## I wrote this. If you've got a comment, give #### ## #### it to me and let's cut out the middleman. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 91 12:57:19 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!keele!csx18@uunet.uu.net (C.M. Yearsley) Subject: Quick ST support To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just to add my .02... I tried to buy QST twice, and failed! I tried to register when it was shareware but they lost my mail in a reorganisation, or something. Later I tried to buy it, and ended up with 1) No Quick-ST 2) Them having my credit card number. I was recommmended to an English dealer (who only had an old version with no plan to upgrade) or to 'phone America (which would cost almost as much as buying the program!). For me, which is best of QST or Turbo isn't the question. I'd buy QST if I could, but after two tries I'm fed up and nervous of risking it again..... If one of the big shareware/cheapware distributors carried it I'd buy it like a shot...'Goodmans PD' are agents for a great deal of shareware, for example, and sell stuff costing more than QST. Mechanisms to buy software reliably exist. Until QST is available through one, I'm not trusting my money to someone a long way away with a bad record. -- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Chris Yearsley JANET: csx18@uk.ac.keele.seq1 USENET: csx18@seq1.keele.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 08:58:21 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!oucsboss!oucsace!bwhite@arizona.edu (William E. White) Subject: Serious hard drive troubles To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have an ICD host adaptor, an Adaptec 4070 RLL controller, and an ST-277R hard drive. Throughout the life of it I've noticed a "Sense $11" code being returned quite often in certain places, but never had any actual bad sectors show up (except one or two every now and then). Then not too long ago, I started getting bad sectors which would go away if I turned the drive off and turned it back on again. I had the good sense to back up most of my data at this point. Then about a month ago the hard drive suddenly gained about 100 bad sectors, mostly centered in a few clusters. It totally wiped out a lot of files (almost all of which I'd backed up except for the newest ones ... no big loss except for a class project). I then reformatted it, repartitioned it, and all the bad sectors went away. Incidentally the sense code was still the same, ie $11. I restored all my files. Then two days later I suddenly had another 100 or so bad sectors, this time just about everywhere (but still centered in clusters). Along with a sense $11 I started getting occasional sense $14 codes. Again I reformatted, but I'm afraid to go back and reinstall everything (except for what I need) because I'm sure this will happen again. Even after reformatting the second time, Cleanup (the ICD program) notices sense $11 codes in the areas that later develop bad sectors, but currently there are no bad sectors (you can also tell because Cleanup will slow down and sit at the suspicious sectors, but it always returns a verdict of OK. This happened last time, two days later they went bad). In the mean time I need a hard drive that works. I'm probably going to order a new drive and controller. I also can't use my floppy unless the hard drive is on (the floppy is out of alignment, but it is magically *in* alignment whenever the hard drive is on. It doesn't have to have booted from the hard drive, I can just turn on the hard drive after the computer and the floppy will still work OK. But as soon as the hard drive is off, the floppy can't read a single disk. Go figure). So. Anyone have *any* idea what's going wrong here? The only appliances near the computer are my printer, which has the power supply in a module on the floor, and the modem, which sits on top and also has the power supply module on the floor. The cable seems to be good. Running the format program with 16 verify passes of each sector turned up no problems (and took all night). I'd really prefer not to have to get rid of this drive, 65 megs is a lot to throw away. Please email all responses, thoughts, suggestions, flames, etc. Thank you for your time. | Bill White +1-614-594-3434 | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (normal) | | Standard login hours: | bwhite@view.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate) | | 1-3,5-7PM EST M-F (oucsace) | more info via `finger bwhite@view...' | -- | Bill White +1-614-594-3434 | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (normal) | | Standard login hours: | bwhite@view.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate) | | 1-3,5-7PM EST M-F (oucsace) | more info via `finger bwhite@view...' | ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 91 20:46:27 GMT From: psinntp!ultb!ultb!clf3678@uunet.uu.net (C.L. Freemesser) Subject: Serious hard drive troubles To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <4589@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU>, bwhite@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (William E. White) writes: > I have an ICD host adaptor, an Adaptec 4070 RLL controller, and an ST-277R > hard drive. Throughout the life of it I've noticed a "Sense $11" code > being returned quite often in certain places, but never had any actual > bad sectors show up (except one or two every now and then). Then not too > long ago, I started getting bad sectors which would go away if I turned > the drive off and turned it back on again. I had the good sense to back > up most of my data at this point. > > Then about a month ago the hard drive suddenly gained about 100 bad sectors, > mostly centered in a few clusters. It totally wiped out a lot of files > (almost all of which I'd backed up except for the newest ones ... no big > loss except for a class project). I then reformatted it, repartitioned > it, and all the bad sectors went away. Incidentally the sense code was > still the same, ie $11. I restored all my files. > The problem lies in the Seagate mechanism itself. Many 1/2 height Seagates make after 1986 (and especially new ones) suffer from poor platter coating. This is due to poor factory conditions (their clean rooms are, well, not). It sounds like the coating on your platters is giving way. You will have to replace the drive mechanism. I suggest you get either a Quantum or Maxtor drive. You can get a 130MB Maxtor SCSI embedded drive (3.5 inch, low profile) for under $370 (I did). ___________________________________________________________________________ __\ Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech. Dimension's End BBS /__ ___\ BITNET: clf3678@ritvax (716)436-3078 /___ ____\ Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu 1200/2400 baud, 130MB /____ _____\ GEnie: C.FREEMESSER STark BBS software /_____ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 91 11:38:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!m ath.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ms.maus.de!Patrick _Dubbrow@arizona.edu (Patrick Dubbrow) Subject: SM124 emualtor To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu larserio@ifi.uio.no, 25.12.91 16:20: l>My friend has a TT with a bigscreen monitor (monochrome) and has some l>problems running software made for ST-MEDIUM and ST-HIGH only. I have l>heard something about a SM124 emulator for the TT, does anyone know more? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's from Overscan, Saentisstr. 166, D W-1000 Berlin 48, Germany and works fine. Greetings, patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 91 13:06:54 mez From: Michael Hohmuth Subject: Sozobon C Shell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is what I mailed to this group a week ago: > Schartz@wet.rug.ac.be writes: > > > Hi, several days ago, I decoded the SOZOBON C compiler. It was > > very disappointing to discover that the whole package is composed > > of several TTP files. I think it's very hard to use TTP files (and I > > don't seem to be the only one, according to reactions of others). > > So I would like to know if there exists some sort of Manager / Shell > > / Editor that can be used to coordinate and simplify the work with > > Sozobon. > > There is some PD GEM shell for Sozobon C called CDESK. It's able to > manage your source/object files and offers a nice desktop (I think; > I don't use it). > > The only thing you need in addition is an editor. Meanwhile I had a look at C-DESK (Version 1.31 of July 1990). Here is some more information: The, for almost all of you, most important and worst information first: Unfortunately, the only thing that is English in C-DESK is its name. All other text is in German. C-DESK works with three windows where you can select c files, assembler sources and libraries that are liked to be processed. Compiler, optimizer, assembler and linker are called directly by C-DESK (i.e. the compiler driver cc is not used). They can be started (seperately or automatically one after another) by a mouseclick at the icons they are represented by. The authors recommend usage of a slightly modified version of the compiler that writes its error messages into a file instead of dropping them to the console. (This is not a must, but makes life easier.) (You should be able to patch your V2.0 sources on your own.) Bye, Michael Internet: hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 91 16:57:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira. uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ac.maus.de!Werner_Schneider@arizona.edu (Werner Schneider) Subject: Unix-Windows for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hi there out, an X-Window Server for atari ST's is availabel from X/software michael gehret in D-8944 Groenenbach Germany werner ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************